[Wactclc-primo] [External] SPF Softfail: RE: Newspaper Discovery Portal

Fri Nov 30 08:55:52 PST 2018

The Primo Working Group meeting has been delayed to next week but the group
has focused this meeting on providing a response to ExL about this change.

If you have anything to say about this, please email me here or off-list.
I'll summarize those statements/questions/concerns and take them to the
PWG. I am - and, by extension, you all are - the only representative in
that group who works in a community college library. Everyone else is at a
major post-doc research institution. This means that we have an opportunity
to provide real-world use cases for Primo management and development
through the lens of community college needs.

-Dan

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 8:15 AM Guidry, Wade <WadeG at bigbend.edu> wrote:

> So, it’s easy enough to disable for those institutions that don’t want to
> use it:
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> The Newspaper Search will also be activated for all customers at this
> time, regardless of which version you are using, and will require you to
> deactivate it if you wish to not make it available.
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> It might be worth considering whether to use the new newsapaper search, at
> least for some.
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> For those of you that like to place extra emphasis on your local
> collections in search results, one way to do so would be to take newspaper
> articles out of the default search. Given the amount of newspaper articles
> in the PCI, not having those included in the default search would
> definitely increase visibility of the other search results.
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>
>
> And the newspaper search does not affect newspaper title records, just the
> PCI (article level) content. At least, that is my current understanding.
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> [image: Title: Big Bend Community College Logo]
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> *Wade Guidry*
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> *Library Consortium Services Manager*
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> *Big Bend Community College*
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> *wadeg at bigbend.edu <wadeg at bigbend.edu>*
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> *509.760.4474*
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> *www.bigbend.edu* <http://www.bigbend.edu/>
>
> *Big Bend Community College • 7662 Chanute Street NE • Moses Lake, WA
> 98837-3299*
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> WACTCLC Alma Instance: Alma NA02 <http://status.exlibrisgroup.com/>
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> WACTCLC Primo Instance: Primo NA08 <http://status.exlibrisgroup.com/>
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> *From:* Wactclc-primo [mailto:wactclc-primo-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Yasuda, Naoko
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:25 PM
> *To:* WACTCLC Primo discussions <wactclc-primo at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-primo] [External] SPF Softfail: RE: Newspaper
> Discovery Portal
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> I thought so too, Amy. But the email from Christine Stohn at Ex Libris on
> Primo-L that started the thread says the following:
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> “As we highlighted during our beta launch, this new approach requires
> removal news items from the main result list whether you elect to use the
> newspaper search or not. This is currently scheduled to start after the
> Primo February 2019 release into production. The Newspaper Search will also
> be activated for all customers at this time, regardless of which version
> you are using, and will require you to deactivate it if you wish to not
> make it available.”
>
>
>
> A lot of institutions are expressing concerns on the thread and I agree. I
> definitely don’t want the news items removed from the general search
> results! Wade is right, we shouldn’t have to lose the functionality to
> search all items in one search because that’s what we signed up for. This
> feature should be optional.
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>
>
> Thank you, Dan, for the link to CMU’s Primo. It’s good that the newspapers
> search is listed first in the Material Type facet, but as we know, a lot of
> students don’t look at the facets… Please let us know how the discussion
> goes at the Primo Working Group meeting!
>
>
>
> Naoko
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> *From:* Wactclc-primo <wactclc-primo-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of
> *Herman, Amy
> *Sent:* November 29, 2018 1:23 PM
> *To:* WACTCLC Primo discussions <wactclc-primo at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-primo] [External] SPF Softfail: RE: Newspaper
> Discovery Portal
>
>
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> I thought that if we did NOT activate the newspaper portal, then the
> newspaper results would remain available in the regular “everything” search
> results.   That they only disappear from regular Primo results if the
> newspaper portal is activated.
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> Am I misremembering or has that changed?
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>
> Sorry if this was already discussed, I get these email list messages way
> out of order, and late!
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> *Amy Herman*
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> Library Faculty | Olympic College
>
> 1600 Chester Avenue | Bremerton, WA 98337
>
> aherman at olympic.edu | 360-475-7256
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> [image: alma signature]
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> *From:* Wactclc-primo <wactclc-primo-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of
> *Daniel Moore
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:49 AM
> *To:* wactclc-primo at lists.ctc.edu
> *Subject:* [External] SPF Softfail: RE: [Wactclc-primo] Newspaper
> Discovery Portal
>
>
>
> Yeah, those FAQs... I mean, we can look at their planned vs. marketed Alma
> sandbox policy document and see how that message was transformed as it
> moved through the pipeline.
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> If folks haven't seen this, here's a working Primo site that currently
> uses the discovery portal:
> https://cmich-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,gravitational%20waves&tab=everything&search_scope=EVERYTHING&vid=01CMICH&lang=en_US&offset=0.
> You'll see in the facets a new link to re-run the query as a Newspaper
> search as well as the "footer" bar in the results list that does the same.
>
>
>
> -Dan
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>
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> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 11:43 AM Guidry, Wade <WadeG at bigbend.edu> wrote:
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> Thanks for the update, Dan.
>
>
>
> The wording in the current FAQs on the topic seems to indicate that we
> will indeed lose the ability to include newspaper article content in
> general searches. (Newspaper title level results would still appear in
> general searches.) Though, I’m not totally convinced that is what ExL is
> planning. Their product messaging, particularly prior to a feature release,
> gets garbled as it passes through management layers at ExL.
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>
>
> Just FYI for the group, here is the current FAQs on this topic:
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> https://knowledge.exlibrisgroup.com/Primo/Product_Documentation/020Primo_VE/005FAQs/Frequently_Asked_Questions_for_Newspaper_Search
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> The feedback I’d like relayed to the Primo working group is that
> institutions should be allowed to continue including newspaper content in
> blended search scopes. Rather than be forced to use a dedicated newspaper
> search scope.
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>
>
> Speaking a consortium manager, that is the functionality under which we
> licensed the product initially, and have not agreed to drop that
> functionality. (I will also share that perspective with our sales rep,
> since I realize that the ELUNA working groups are more for feature /
> usability discussions with ExL, not licensing disputes J.)
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> [image: Title: Big Bend Community College Logo]
>
> *Wade Guidry*
>
> *Library Consortium Services Manager*
>
> *Big Bend Community College*
>
> *wadeg at bigbend.edu <wadeg at bigbend.edu>*
>
> *509.760.4474*
>
> *www.bigbend.edu* <http://www.bigbend.edu/>
>
> *Big Bend Community College • 7662 Chanute Street NE • Moses Lake, WA
> 98837-3299*
>
>
>
> WACTCLC Alma Instance: Alma NA02 <http://status.exlibrisgroup.com/>
>
> WACTCLC Primo Instance: Primo NA08 <http://status.exlibrisgroup.com/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Wactclc-primo [mailto:wactclc-primo-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Daniel Moore
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:12 AM
> *To:* wactclc-primo at lists.ctc.edu
> *Subject:* [Wactclc-primo] Newspaper Discovery Portal
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
>
> There's a thread going in Primo-L right now regarding the Newspaper
> Discovery Portal that ExL introduced earlier this year. Ex Libris has
> adjusted its rollout strategy for this portal due to intense customer
> feedback.
>
>
>
> I'm taking this subject to the Primo Working Group which is meeting
> tomorrow but I also wanted to start a thread on it here since the Newspaper
> Discovery Portal will no doubt have huge impacts across our libraries. How
> are folks feeling about the current - if poorly communicated - plans to
> move newspaper results out of general search results and into its own
> discovery portal? Has anyone conducted any user testing with
> students/faculty to see how this change might impact instruction and
> research?
>
>
>
> Ann Kucera at CMU reported the following data after testing the new portal
> with students:
>
> "We’ve tested it with students. ‘Please find 3 newspaper articles about
> climate change.’ They began on our home page and needed to find a way to
> get to the Newspaper search page.
>
> -          About 1/3 (3 out of 9) of the students thought that the
> ‘Newspapers’ link in the facets was a heading and that all of the facets
> below related to newspapers. The other 6 students clicked on it after a
> short search and completed the task.
>
> -          All 9 students said they had never needed to find newspaper
> articles for any class.
>
> -          No one clicked on the Newspapers link on the bottom of the
> page.
>
> -          We haven’t had any complaints that people have told me about.
>
> -          Reference and instruction librarians seem to think it’s fine."
>
>
>
> With so little time left in this quarter I fear that conducting a
> well-scoped user test is not feasible. We'll be doing some targeted user
> testing next quarter on our website and Primo in general but will probably
> wrap the Newspaper Discovery Portal into those tests.
>
>
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dan Moore
>
> Systems and Collections Librarian
>
> Edmonds Community College Library
>
> dan.moore at edcc.edu / daniel.moore at email.edcc.edu
>
> (425) 640-1526
>

-- 
Regards,

Dan Moore
Systems and Collections Librarian
Edmonds Community College Library
dan.moore at edcc.edu / daniel.moore at email.edcc.edu
(425) 640-1526
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