[Wactclc-alma] Cataloging question

Mon Mar 15 11:34:38 PDT 2021

No, this is not unique to CZ records. This dates back to  pre-Alma, pre-RDA.

I believe it comes from how MARC format applies AACR2 rules for punctuation.

Back in Voyager days, I would sometimes move the punctuation from the end of the $h subfield to the beginning of the subsequent $b. Is it okay to flout the rules if I know why I'm doing it? So that titles will display correctly in the OPAC?

As discussed previously in this thread, we are stuck with the formatting for CZ records. For local records, I update with RDA rules.

Just so you know, I do not have a library science degree 😊

Cara Beth

Grays Harbor College

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Yes, that's the record. I went ahead and restored it to the way it was originally. And yes, it seems that when $b and $h are both present, then the ‘ : ’ character is suppressed.

I'm not sure if the problem is unique to just this set of CZ records. I noticed the same problem with a CD in our collection, for example:

https://sbctc-edcc.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/01STATEWA_EDCC/79926d/alma99726344202809

Thanks,
Clare

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 8:31 PM Guidry, Wade <WadeG at bigbend.edu<mailto:WadeG at bigbend.edu>> wrote:
Correct.

If it’s a CZ record, you don’t want to edit it. If there are accuracy issues with a set of CZ records, the best thing is an SF ticket. And if it’s a display thing, we can usually address that with a Primo display rule, as Kirsti suggests.

Clare, if you did edit the CZ record, you can go ahead and  just edit that $h field back into the record.

This issue sounds intriguingly subtle. 😊

Looking at your examples, is it the case that, if the record contains a $b and $h, then the ‘ : ’ character is suppressed?

And is this the record?

https://sbctc-edcc.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/01STATEWA_EDCC/1cl6fgf/alma991767378002809

If you can put the record back the way it was originally, I’ll see what I can figure out.

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If they're from the community zone, then we're not allowed to touch them.  :(

Community Zone records belong to everyone and any edits that you make for your own local environment carry over to all the other Alma libraries. Another library may want the 245$h there and may have procedures that rely on the subfield being there.

There may be a way that you can change the Primo display to *not* show the 245$h

We've been importing OCLC records for ebooks that we buy (i.e. have a long-term/perpetual access license for), and then relinking the CZ portfolio record to the OCLC bib.  The OCLC bib records often have additional subject headings and usually follow RDA cataloging standards (which don't use the 245$h). I don't know how sustainable that will be in the long run, but it's working for now.

It will be ok!

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Seattle Colleges
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Hi Kirsti,

They're from the Community Zone.

-Clare

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:53 PM Thomas, Kirsti <Kirsti.Thomas at seattlecolleges.edu<mailto:Kirsti.Thomas at seattlecolleges.edu>> wrote:
Are the records with subfield h [medium] from your ebook vendor or are they from the Alma Community Zone?

Kirsti

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Hi all,

We recently purchased some ebooks, and a few are displaying in an unexpected way whenever the title field includes subfield $b (remainder of title) in combination with subfield $h (medium). Here's an example:

[cid:178370b2b6a692e331]

When I remove subfield $h from the title field, it displays like this:

[cid:178370b2b6a7745b42]

My question is, does anyone know of any reason I can't just remove that subfield? The medium is included elsewhere in the record, so it seems kind of superfluous, but I thought I would check in to see if anyone has a better solution.

Thanks,
Clare

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Clare Bryant

Acquisitions and Cataloging Technician

Edmonds College Library

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