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Dawn Hawley dhawley at btc.edu
Wed Jun 5 13:36:07 PDT 2024 

Thanks for the additional information, Sarah. The consequences that you describe are the sort that I was wondering about.
Thank you everyone for chiming in. I am better prepared for a conversation with OCLC now.
Dawn

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My understanding-- from OCLC documentation and emails with OCLC reps-- is that if you subscribe to FirstSearch, you now also have access to WorldCat Discovery. Around 2017 or 2018, OCLC was planning to replace the FirstSearch product with WorldCat Discovery, but there was outcry from libraries who preferred the FirstSearch interface (it offers more advanced search fields than WorldCat Discovery).

OCLC emails/documentation from around this time suggest that OCLC was planning to provide libraries with both products for a year without charging additional costs, then libraries would need to decide if they wanted one, the other, or both. However, it seems that at some point, OCLC decided that if you pay for one, you get the other for no extra cost? Per a recent email with the OCLC rep: "FirstSearch and Discovery are different sites but yes to you have a subscription to Discovery with your Firstsearch subscription." Indeed, I discovered we do have a WorldCat Discovery site<https://edmondscommunitycollegelibrary.on.worldcat.org>, but it was never configured and no one uses it.

Re: notable consequences of cancelling FirstSearch, the OCLC rep tells me that we will lose 1) WorldCat.org web visibility (our library's holdings will no longer show in WorldCat.org), and 2) the ability to link to our ILL form from WorldCat.org (patrons will no longer be able click a button on WorldCat.org to have bibliographic info auto-filled into our ILL form).

Thanks,
Sarah

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 10:55 AM Dawn Hawley via LIBRARYDIR <librarydir at lists.ctc.edu<mailto:librarydir at lists.ctc.edu>> wrote:
Thanks for this helpful info, Carleigh.
I remember the Wayfinder “group catalog” project, but I was not involved with it. It is interesting that although Wayfinder was discontinued in 2013, the original agreement, which includes locked in rates for some OCLC products, has been extended a few times, including back in 2020 for five years.
I see that the contract specifically calls for participating libraries to purchase:

  *   Unlimited Cataloging,
  *   Unlimited ILL, and a
  *   FirstSearch WorldCat Subscription.
The renewal notice that I received lists:

  *   Cataloging & Metadata Subscription,
  *   FirstSearch, and
  *   WorldShare ILL.
Now I’m wondering if FirstSearch is Worldcat now. Has anyone cancelled FirstSearch? Have there been any notable consequences?

Thanks,
Dawn

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Here is the State Library page about the project if that helps:
https://www2.sos.wa.gov/library/libraries/projects/wayfindermoreaboutwho.aspx


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Hi Kirsti,

Thank you for that context. I would appreciate a look at Will’s email.

Dawn



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One thing to be aware of—



Some OCLC products that libraries have are through a group contract that was brokered by the Washington State Library. That contract requires participants to maintain subscriptions to specific services & products to get the contract pricing.



I had an email exchange with Will Stuivenga (now retired) from the State Library about this back in 2019. At the time, Will said that the contract required participants to carry subscriptions for:

  *   Unlimited Cataloging
  *   Unlimited ILL
  *   A WorldCat subscription (WorldCat Discovery???)



I don’t think FirstSearch was part of that contract, but I wanted to mention this just in case you get any weird price increases to any other OCLC subscriptions after cancelling FirstSearch.



I can share the full text of Will’s email for anyone who wants it.



It will be ok!



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Thank you for the responses. It’s the priciest item on our renewal list, but a straw poll of local library staff indicates lack of use and lack of interest in use.

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Hey Dawn~



     I decided to cancel it this next year.  It was used so infrequently, I think I assessed that it was costing us about $300 a usage.



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Hello All,

How is your library using OCLC FirstSearch these days?

Dawn



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