[Wactclc-alma] [External]Re: [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing Books and eBooks returns other item types
Guidry, Wade
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Tue Jan 21 15:33:06 PST 2020
My take is that there really isn’t a right or wrong answer to that.
Just a function of what works best for your library.
Though, especially with how we weight MyInst content pretty heavily in the MyInst_and_CI scope, the first page of the combined scope results will often look very similar to MyInst.
From that perspective, you could nix the MyInst scope without much change in what users see in one vs the other, at least in the top 10 results.
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The Pierce College librarians met last week and decided to add a physical scope to our Primo search dropdown. We are thinking it would replace the MyInst scope. I see that Edmonds only has the MyInst_and_CI scope.
Is there any reason to keep both MyInst and MyInst_and_CI active?
Thanks again, all,
Lesley
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There are no tangents when it comes to Alma. All conversations about this obtuse product are helpful.
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences with this issue, Lesley.
Kind regards,
Dan
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:06 AM Lesley Caldwell <LCaldwell at pierce.ctc.edu<mailto:LCaldwell at pierce.ctc.edu>> wrote:
Thanks, Wade. As always, I appreciate your thoughts on this.
I think I have identified my frustration as this system feeling like it was designed without thinking about libraries at all.
We will definitely explore the physical scope Ryer and others mentioned. And, I’ll offer the “At the Library” scope mentioned by Dan and Naoko.
Sorry for the tangent, all!
Lesley
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>> We don’t own the second or third result so it just seems silly to me that it would be included in the “MyInstitution” scope.
But you do own access to them, correct? So, in a sense, they are part of your institution, as long as your access lasts at least.
The main difference to remember between MyInstitution and Everything is that ‘MyInstitution’ contains only title citations, while ‘Everything’ contains both title and article citations.
The best way to address this might be by changing the labels in Primo.
Though, I’m hard-pressed to label them in a way that would make sense to retail users.
Maybe MyInstitution is labels “Books, Journals and Videos”
Another option is to have a physical only search, and then the Everything search.
I’m trying to think how this is handled in other contexts, like iTunes, Google Scholar, Netflix, Amazon, etc.
How do other widely used content platforms distinguish between subscribed and owned content (which I think is where the scope confusion is coming in?
No doubt, it’s a brave new content world out there ☺
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Hi all,
Sorry for the misinformed email yesterday. I am going to share this with our reference librarians and I’m hoping one of you can help me articulate the difference between “Everything”… (10 million results)
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And “Library Catalog”… (6,500) results
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First of all, the top three are still the same. :P
Is it really just PCI activations making a 10 million item difference?
And when we move the CDI, which is in Alma, then all 10 million items would fall under Library Catalog?
I don’t know why, but this is making me super grumpy. We don’t own the second or third result so it just seems silly to me that it would be included in the “MyInstitution” scope.
Okay, end rant…maybe.
-Lesley
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Thank you, Dan, locking works great! I’m glad I mentioned it :)
Naoko
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“Available in the Library” is also the filter that I use and teach students when I/they want physical materials only.
I didn’t know about the locking function, that’s super helpful!!!
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Hey all,
We use the "Available in the library" facet in lieu of using a dedicated physical item search. We like to use it as a way of introducing facets to students who may not have used them in a scholarly setting before.
Naoko, regarding your comment about having to re-apply the facet every time the search is modified, remember that you can lock a filter into place by hovering over the left-most part of the label in the "Active filters" listing:
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This will allow you to change the search query and execute new searches without having to re-activate that filter.
-Dan
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:40 PM Yasuda, Naoko <nyasuda at highline.edu<mailto:nyasuda at highline.edu>> wrote:
I am curious, do people strongly prefer having a custom scope for physical item search to using the filter "Available in the library" after the initial search? Our librarians seem to be ok with using the filter although it's a bit annoying we have to re-apply the filter every time the search is modified. I can see custom scopes are useful for targeted audiences, maybe to be used in a widget or for some kind of automated feed. I haven't configured any custom scope because no one has asked me for one, but I'd love to play with the configuration.
Naoko
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Agreed. Our librarians wanted to be able to search only physical items in the catalog and so I created a custom scope for physical items with a location in our two campuses and I called that scope “In the Library.” We are still deciding whether we want to change that physical location scope to be our “Library Catalog” because that’s how everyone traditionally understood our catalog to be. Of course, then it wouldn’t include ebooks.
It certainly is more complicated than our old Millennium days…
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There are ways to configure the custom scope to really zero in on a certain part, or parts, of your collection. As Wade shows, for just books you use conditions to limit by resource type=book. I’m less sure on the need for two layers of available physical=exists, but maybe that helps accuracy.
I have found that you can get very granular and specific with your local collection. It is more difficult (at least it has been for me) to get accurate when working with the “everything” scope.
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Wade,
Would this custom scope include videos and other physical items in the library?
Thanks,
Traci
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Traci,
The scope being used for that search is ‘MyInstitution’ (&search_scope=MyInstitution in the URL)
That scope includes all title records in Alma. Doesn’t matter the format (book, journal, etc).
Basically,
MyInstitution scope = titles-only search
Everything scope = titles + articles
If you want a books-only search, you need to set up a custom local scope based on resource type, something like the following, and then assign it to a search profile and slot:
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You might just want to rename the facet.
We don't have a "Books & ebooks" facet at all. We have the following names for our facets:
Library Catalog
Everything
Articles and eResources
Course Reserves
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I just did the same search and got the same results.
Traci
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Hey all, has anyone seen an issue like this? I search for books and eBooks in the drop-down, and get journals and other resource types returned. I have to click a second time to limit to books using the Resource Type facet. This obviously is annoying and potentially confusing to the general user. Why not just disable these specific searches if they aren’t accurately doing what they say they should do?
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