[Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Kanopy and faculty/employee use

Mon May 13 10:47:57 PDT 2019

Hey Lesley,

Regarding password resets, it looks like they've already released a
password reset system. I just did it on my account. About registering, we
sold it to our users as a way of managing playlists. We have users first
authenticate via Ezproxy and then they log into their Kanopy accounts.
We've also encouraged folks to use Google authentication. Lastly, the
account with Kanopy is good for their public library access as well, so if
a user has a Kanopy account through KCLS or Sno-Isle, after authenticating
in Ezproxy they can log into that account to have access to their saved
movies. Kanopy's data breach, while disheartening, was a good opportunity
for them to own up to the breach, which I feel they did. Within a few days
I think I received five emails about the extent of the breach and what
steps they're taking to avoid that in the future. As you put it, breaches
seem to be more and more frequent these days, so it's hard to put our trust
in yet another service and hope for the best. (I'm reminded of the cynical
meme of a sad faced cloud with the text, "The Cloud is just another
person's computer.") That said... when walking students through this, we
either encourage Google authentication OR we use it as an opportunity to
instruct of good password management.

We did our Building Community Day presentation on "What's new in the
library?" this past Friday and a demo of Kanopy was included. We're asking
faculty to explore this as a resource for students in their classes. We
even had one construction management teacher say that he found, while I was
talking, four movies he'll require for his classes.

-Dan

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:36 PM Guidry, Wade <WadeG at bigbend.edu> wrote:

> Just FYI, looks like Kanopy does support SAML / Shibboleth authentication.
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> Which should mean that users in the per-play model would be able to use
> their campus credentials, instead of Kanopy user accounts.
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> As long as your institution supports SAML or Shibboleth authentication.
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> https://help.kanopy.com/hc/en-us/articles/220030407-Configuring-Kanopy-for-access
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> Wade Guidry
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> Library Consortium Services Manager, WACTCLC
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> wadeg at bigbend.edu
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> (509) 760-4474
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> http://www.wactclc.org
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lesley
> Caldwell
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 11:57 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Kanopy and faculty/employee
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> Hi all,
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> Pierce College is also having Kanopy growth pains! While it took us two
> years to spend out our first deposit, we are now spending that same amount
> in two or three months. We are currently on the $120/unlimited views plan.
> Because of this concern, we surveyed our faculty in winter. The results
> were firmly in support of Kanopy (and not just for weekend viewing). I’ve
> attached them if you are curious! Faculty felt the films on Kanopy were
> essential to some of their online classes.
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> We looked into the $2 model, but our faculty and library faculty are
> resistant. Here is their reasoning:
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>    - We could move to the $2 per play model, but everyone who wanted to
>    use Kanopy would be required to create a user account with Kanopy. If a
>    person forgets their password, they would need to contact Kanopy and have
>    someone reset their password during normal business hours Mon - Fri. There
>    is NOT an automated method to reset a password but the company intends to
>    create one in the future. This is similar to what we encounter with WOIS
>    user accounts and we often get questions about those.
>    - If we move to the $2 per play model, films that we also have in FOD
>    will not be free for us.  We will be charged when someone watches the same
>    title in Kanopy.
>    - Kanopy had a big data breech this winter, which happens to a lot of
>    companies, but we were kind of glad we weren’t requiring people to create
>    accounts.
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> For those of you using the $2 model, could you speak to those concerns?
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> This is a hot topic with our team right now!
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> Thanks!
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> Lesley
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Daniel
> Moore
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 9:31 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Kanopy and faculty/employee
> use
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> We moved to that PDA model of payment and we love it. We're saving so much
> money over the past payment plan ($120/unlimited views). Now we're doing $2
> a play and we've seen *more views* and yet our winter quarter bill was
> something like $1200 less than the previous winter quarter.
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> And I agree with all the sentiments shared here... All I know is, when
> Kanopy is brought up, the specter of that faculty usage conversation is
> summoned to hint at some perceived issue just hiding behind the curtains.
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> We pay for Kanopy with disbursements from our Foundation account. If we
> view Kanopy as an opportunity for faculty professional development, maybe
> there's a partnership with ODET to explore. Maybe we just need a secondary
> funding source tied to professional development to fully legitimize this
> use case and put to rest this conversation.
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> (Sorry for the Friday rant.)
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> -Dan
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> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 7:13 AM Herman, Amy <aherman at olympic.edu> wrote:
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> When I got a quote from them last year they did not give me a PDA model,
> said that was only for public libraries which is why I was so interested to
> hear about this when you told me last year.  We didn't revisit the quote at
> that time, but I'll be curious if this option is now broadly offered to
> colleges.  I would hope so!
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> Amy Herman, Library Faculty
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> Olympic College
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> Bremerton, WA
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma [wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] on behalf of
> Bem, Greg [Greg.Bem at lwtech.edu]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2019 5:48 PM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion
> *Subject:* [External] RE: [Wactclc-alma] Kanopy and faculty/employee use
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> Hey Kirsti,
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> Have you seen the PDA (instead of the DDA) model that Kanopy created?
> LWTech helped “develop” it a couple years ago and tested it out when it
> came out because we couldn’t afford anything else. I think a lot of CTCs
> opted into it since its creation, because it’s much cheaper.
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> Greg
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> *Greg Bem, MLIS*
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> *Professor and Library Coordinator*
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> *Contact Info*
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> greg.bem at lwtech.edu <greg.bem at lwtech.edu%0d>
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> 425-739-8100 xt.8898
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> http://www.lwtech.edu/campus-life/library
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Thomas, Kirsti
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 4:56 PM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] Kanopy and faculty/employee use
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> A few random thoughts…
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> It’s not feasible or sustainable to attempt to monitor **why**
> individuals are using a resource. I’d also argue that monitoring the reason
> why an individual is using a library-provided resource runs afoul of the
> American Library Association Code of Ethics:
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> *We protect each library user's right to privacy and confidentiality with
> respect to information sought or received and resources consulted,
> borrowed, acquired or transmitted.*
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> If you’ve got a 1-year or 3-year license for a Kanopy title, then you’ve
> got unlimited views and it shouldn’t matter to the library why someone is
> watching the video.
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> That said, there are very real budget issues with Kanopy that can’t be
> overlooked. One of my libraries has a reduced book budget this year due to
> problems with the Kanopy DDA (Demand Driven Acquisitions) program.  In
> short, Kanopy continued to allow views of videos after our account limit
> was reached, resulting in the library “purchasing” 1-year licenses on a
> bunch of titles that we hadn’t expected or budgeted for. When we looked at
> the use data for the DDA titles that had triggered the purchases, we saw
> that many of them were feature films that people watched on weekends.  We
> inferred from the use data that people were watching the videos for
> non-academic reasons (but we don’t know that for sure).
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> The library budget couldn’t support the level of use Kanopy was getting.
> So that library turned off the Kanopy DDA program and went with
> direct-order only. It’s less user friendly in that students and faculty can
> no longer see and search all the titles available in Kanopy.  Instructors
> have to work directly with library faculty to identify titles they want to
> license through Kanopy.
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> The other one of my libraries that’s using Kanopy has a larger budget and
> has left their DDA program in place (I think?). They’ll license specific
> titles if faculty contact them and let them know it’s needed for a course.
> This library hasn’t run into the problem of Kanopy allowing views over the
> budget limit. They’re in the second year of their Kanopy DDA program and
> are still deciding if DDA is worth it to them.
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> I think you could also reasonably make the argument that personal use is *de
> minimis* for something you’ve already licensed.  It’s when personal use
> is triggering a three-figure purchase that you get into a problem area.
> Rather than focusing on the reason for use, it’s easier to configure your
> Kanopy account to minimize the chance of the library paying for a license
> for something that doesn’t directly support the curriculum.
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> Kirsti S. Thomas
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> Library Technical Service Manager
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> Seattle Colleges
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> kirsti.thomas at seattlecolleges.edu
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu
> <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Moore
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 14:04
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* [Wactclc-alma] Kanopy and faculty/employee use
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> Hey all,
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> Not so much an Alma collection but a resource question.
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> I've been told about a conversation a few years ago about switching to
> Kanopy and what it might mean for our faculty and employees. The chief
> concern is, are faculty allowed to use Kanopy for personal use? It's a
> resource paid for with state funding, so personal use should be prohibited;
> on the other hand, if a faculty member wanted to come check out a fiction
> novel for some beach reading, we wouldn't block that.
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> If you have Kanopy, what do you tell your faculty and employees?
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> -Dan
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> --
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> Regards,
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> Dan Moore
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> Systems and Collections Librarian
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> Edmonds Community College Library
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> dan.moore at edcc.edu / daniel.moore at email.edcc.edu
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> (425) 640-1526
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Regards,

Dan Moore
Systems and Collections Librarian
Edmonds Community College Library
dan.moore at edcc.edu / daniel.moore at email.edcc.edu
(425) 640-1526
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