[Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet

[Wrye, Tim]

My two negotiating cents: I always lean hard on the IPEDS number with vendors.  Most of them do default to that, and even though our ABE/ESL students do use the system, since they are largely tuition and fee exempt, I don’t feel bad about that at all. I generally lean on the credit/tuition & fee paying FTE numbers.  (If they push back on that, I start to use the equity in higher education/community colleges are not the same as public 4 year institutions argument.)

Tim

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I received some additional information from our research department, and they confirmed that my initial guess was somewhat correct. They mentioned that IPEDS FTE excludes any students solely in pre-college programs, certain apprenticeships, and short job skills programs. IPEDS is really designed only to enable a national standard for credential-seeking students; we don’t use it for anything else outside of federal reporting.

With this context, I suggest we identify a few key points:

  *   Which FTEs have been used in the past in the negotiation of the Canvas contract by our system?

  *   Which FTEs have been used by other states, such as California, in negotiating the Canvas contract?

  *   If Canvas is not used in the programs mentioned above, should we consider using IPEDS FTE instead?
My two cents.

Boyoung
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Subject: Re: New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet

This is my guess (as in information that I have not yet checked with the data team).

I think the difference could be because IPEDS data excludes students enrolled in ESL programs and Continuing Education (see "Who to Exclude<https://surveys.nces.ed.gov/ipeds/public/survey-materials/instructions?instructionid=30069>"). From the SBCTC enrollment dashboard, if you exclude those BEdA-related courses, the numbers get close to the IPEDS FTEs.

Hope this helps!
Boyoung


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HI, all.



Marc, Thanks for this. It is both helpful and enlightening. One question I have for the group is where are FTEs numbers gathered? The reason I ask is because we just sent our IPEDs in for the 2023 to 2024 academic year and when I review our numbers with the numbers of the SBCTC website<https://www.sbctc.edu/colleges-staff/research/data-public/enrollment-data-dashboard>, SBCTC is reporting 2,133 more than we reported. In the new model, this is a difference of $82,866.17 over five years. As you might imagine, I don’t want to pay that much more.





SBCTC

IPEDS

Difference

North

        3,538.00

        2,858.00

           680.00

Central

        4,854.00

        3,932.00

           922.00

South

        4,089.00

        3,558.00

           531.00

Total

      12,481.00

      10,348.00

        2,133.00



-Kevin



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Subject: [Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet

Hi folks,



I’ve added a tab to the Canvas cost updates and comparisons spreadsheet<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ilM4sGgkJ5Ef5xrLwssUGTJdQq_iAfJ5qIN9MRhALaQ/edit#gid=1974605837>. The new tab is called “College cost.” It’s set up so you can compare the costs to your college under different per-FTE cost increases by Canvas. The top half is the current proposal – the 10% year one proposal. The bottom half is where you get to play. The “Diffs” table on the right tells you how much the cost will differ between the Instructure proposal and whatever you put in the bottom section.



Marc



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