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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My two negotiating cents: I always lean hard on the IPEDS number with vendors. Most of them do default to that, and even though our ABE/ESL students do use the system, since they are largely tuition and fee
exempt, I don’t feel bad about that at all. I generally lean on the credit/tuition & fee paying FTE numbers. (If they push back on that, I start to use the equity in higher education/community colleges are not the same as public 4 year institutions argument.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="color:black">ETAG <etag-bounces@lists.ctc.edu> on behalf of Boyoung Chae via ETAG <etag@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 12:51</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Lentini, Marc <mlentini@highline.edu>, etag@lists.ctc.edu <etag@lists.ctc.edu>, Bowersox-Johnson, Kevin <Kevin.Bowersox-Johnson@seattlecolleges.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I received some additional information from our research department, and they confirmed that my initial guess was somewhat correct. They mentioned that IPEDS FTE excludes any students solely in pre-college programs,
certain apprenticeships, and short job skills programs. IPEDS is really designed only to enable a national standard for credential-seeking students; we don’t use it for anything else outside of federal reporting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">With this context, I suggest we identify a few key points:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Which FTEs have been used in the past in the negotiation of the Canvas contract by our system?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Which FTEs have been used by other states, such as California, in negotiating the Canvas contract?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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If Canvas is not used in the programs mentioned above, should we consider using IPEDS FTE instead?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">My two cents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Boyoung Chae <bchae@sbctc.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lentini, Marc <mlentini@highline.edu>; etag@lists.ctc.edu <etag@lists.ctc.edu>; Bowersox-Johnson, Kevin <Kevin.Bowersox-Johnson@seattlecolleges.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This is my guess (as in information that I have not yet checked with the data team).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I think the difference could be because IPEDS data excludes students enrolled in ESL programs and Continuing Education (see "<b><a href="https://surveys.nces.ed.gov/ipeds/public/survey-materials/instructions?instructionid=30069" title="https://surveys.nces.ed.gov/ipeds/public/survey-materials/instructions?instructionid=30069">Who
to Exclude</a></b>"). From the SBCTC enrollment dashboard, if you exclude those BEdA-related courses, the numbers get close to the IPEDS FTEs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hope this helps!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Boyoung<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> ETAG <etag-bounces@lists.ctc.edu> on behalf of Bowersox-Johnson,
Kevin via ETAG <etag@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 9:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lentini, Marc <mlentini@highline.edu>; etag@lists.ctc.edu <etag@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet</span> <o:p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">HI, all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marc, Thanks for this. It is both helpful and enlightening. One question I have for the group is where are FTEs numbers gathered? The reason I ask is because we just sent our IPEDs in for the 2023 to 2024 academic year and
when I review our numbers with the numbers of the <u><span style="color:#467886"><a href="https://www.sbctc.edu/colleges-staff/research/data-public/enrollment-data-dashboard"><span style="color:#467886">SBCTC website</span></a></span></u>, SBCTC is reporting
2,133 more than we reported. In the new model, this is a difference of $82,866.17 over five years. As you might imagine, I don’t want to pay that much more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SBCTC</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Difference</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">North</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 3,538.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 2,858.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 680.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Central</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 4,854.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 3,932.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 922.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">South</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 4,089.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 3,558.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 531.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Total</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 12,481.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 10,348.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 2,133.00</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">ETAG <etag-bounces@lists.ctc.edu> on behalf of Lentini, Marc via ETAG <etag@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:22</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>etag@lists.ctc.edu <etag@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ve added a tab to the <u><span style="color:#467886"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ilM4sGgkJ5Ef5xrLwssUGTJdQq_iAfJ5qIN9MRhALaQ/edit#gid=1974605837"><span style="color:#467886">Canvas cost updates and comparisons
spreadsheet</span></a></span></u>. The new tab is called “College cost.” It’s set up so you can compare the costs to your college under different per-FTE cost increases by Canvas. The top half is the current proposal – the 10% year one proposal. The bottom
half is where you get to play. The “Diffs” table on the right tells you how much the cost will differ between the Instructure proposal and whatever you put in the bottom section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Marc Lentini | he.him.his<br>
Director of Educational Technology<br>
Highline College | <u><span style="color:#0563C1"><a href="mailto:mlentini@highline.edu" title="mailto:mlentini@highline.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">mlentini@highline.edu</span></a></span></u> | (206) 592-3778</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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