[CATO] [EXTERNAL]Re: Conformance versus Functional testing

Monica Olsson molsson at sbctc.edu
Tue Apr 12 12:18:15 PDT 2022 

Thanks for letting us know.




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Subject: RE: [CATO] [EXTERNAL]Re: Conformance versus Functional testing


Sound great, I will only be able to attend the first 30 minutes of CATO today, I have a meeting I have to attend at 3.



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Hi all,



This is an update to let you know that Hadi and I will be talking together on Monday the 18th about the possibility of hosting a webinar/discussion on this topic.





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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: [CATO] Conformance versus Functional testing



Hi Jeannie, Andy, and CATO,



Thanks for your positive feedback and interest! I have contacted Hadi to discuss the possibility of a webinar or panel discussion on this topic for our system. My hope is that CATO will have an interest in helping to put this event on. I'll let you know once I've had the chance to chat with Hadi.





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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: [CATO] Conformance versus Functional testing



I'm wondering, if we do arrange for a webinar with Hadi (which I'd be highly interested in), if CATO members could also invite members of their own teams? I'm thinking there may be a few of my WVC IT and PIO (and perhaps others) colleagues interested, too.



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currently reading: The Atlas Six<https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59058504-the-atlas-six>, by Olivie Blake

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Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [CATO] Conformance versus Functional testing



Monica,



This is great information! Thanks for reaching out to help us gain more insight. If we do set up a webinar with Hadi, could we invite folks from Christopher's team? I think they would be very interested, and it could help them in their testing process.



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Hello CATO,



I thought you might like to see Hadi's comment from the UW below.





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Subject: Re: [Accessibleit] Conformance versus Functional testing



Hello Monica,



It is a very good but very difficult question to answer. We probably need a full webinar on this topic.

While accessibility conformance testing is valuable in identifying general and more technical accessibility issues, it does not guarantee that an application is functionally accessible for users. For example, say that there is a navigation area with 50 options in it that is technically accessible according to the conformance testing as it has the correct keyboard controls, labelling, screen reader announcements, etc. While again it is accessible by the standards, it is not reasonable to expect users to tab 50 times to get past this navigation area.



As far as how to incorporate them in your accessibility policy and procedures, it depends on where you set your accessibility bar. Yes, indeed accessibility conformance can improve the accessibility of the application, but if you are aiming for real accessibility improvement, then I think you should aim to do functional accessibility testing as well, for which you would need the necessary resources. You will need someone who is familiar with the application, can communicate your accessibility findings with the vendors, engage them in a real collaboration to fix the issues and guide them through functional accessibility feedback.



If there is enough interest in this topic, I will be glad to offer a webinar to go into it in more detail.



Thanks,

Hadi



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Hi everyone,



I participate in a group within WA state's community and technical college system called the Committee for Accessible Technology Oversight, or CATO.



Yesterday, at our monthly meeting, members discussed accessibility conformance testing versus functional testing. We expressed some frustration in parsing out these two testing methods and how each method should be implemented into Accessible Technology policies and procedures, such as IT procurement.



How do you define and differentiate each testing method? Do you have recommendations how best to use each method strategically and in a scalable way?



Thanks in advance for your input!





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