[ATcoord] [UCE] Re: [Accessibleit] [ITACCESS] Fwd: [WebAIM] Serious bugs in latest Acrobat update: DO NOT UPDATE

Monica Olsson molsson at sbctc.edu
Wed Sep 29 13:46:02 PDT 2021 

Hi Holli,

Thank you so much for sharing -- I like your checklist. When we are further along with our policy and process document, I'll share with this group as well.

I'm curious, at your campus, are you responsible for helping evaluate/test the accessibility of products before purchasing?

I'd love to see other school share their polices and processes here, too. Even if they are works in progress.




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I am sharing what we have at CCS. The IT Project Management has been working on a procurement policy also. I have attached our Software Checklist. We are currently implementing our IT Accessible Technology Policy on a small scale, but it is picking up speed.







Thank you, and have a beautiful day.



Holli Kish



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Hi Vicki,



Thank you for taking the time to share your experience and thoughts with us, I appreciate that very much. My role at the state board is relatively new--so hearing from our colleges is incredibly helpful to me as I prioritize the work ahead of us.



SBCTC acknowledges the need for improved accessibility practices, including procurement. I am working with a small group of people to write an Accessible IT Procurement policy with a companion document outlining process. The companion document will include things like sample questions to ask a vendor when considering a product, suggestions for exercises someone can perform to conduct some basic testing (without being an expert), suggestions for third party testing solutions, etc.



Again, thank you to everyone for sharing your comments.



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I would just like to take a few minutes to share my thoughts about PDFs.



It is a well-known fact that you cannot make a Microsoft Word document completely accessible. The tools for making accessible and checking for accessibility are there, but are not complete.



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[Standards Checklist  Structural Standard- ISO 32000-1:2008  Accessibility Standard- Section 508 (2001), WCAG 2.0 AA (revised section 508-2017), PDF/UA 1.0 (ISO 14289-1), HHS, HHS (2018 regulations), WCAG 2.1 AA]



I do not disagree that PDFs can be impossible to make fully accessible if you're only using Adobe Acrobat Pro. However, there are tools out there that can get a PDF completely accessible.  Before CommonLook, I only had Adobe Acrobat Pro to use to remediate PDFs and it caused me great concern as there was much that was hard to make accessible.



It would be such a blessing if at a state board level, they purchased CommonLook for all colleges to use for remediating documents. It would be a well-spent choice, I can assure you.  Our college, my department, also does software testing for all possible new purchases and renewals for accessibility. From my own testing results, I can tell you that the state board has purchased software that is not totally accessible. It would warm my heart if our Washington State Board of Community and Technical Colleges would purchase CommonLook for all of us to use (I’m sure the discount would be great).  It is an accessible software to use (keyboard shortcuts galore which makes the remediation process even faster even if you don’t use a screen reader) and will produce accessible digital content.  Our not-accessible content worries would end. We would be on the cutting edge of accessible content, for sure.



Thank you for allowing me to share my own personal thoughts on this subject.



Take care.





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Dylan,

Thanks for sharing. Great progress.

Sheryl

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On Sep 27, 2021, at 3:44 PM, Dylan Gibson <gibsond6 at wwu.edu<mailto:gibsond6 at wwu.edu>> wrote:



Hello Everyone,



Here at Western Washington University (WWU) we’ve worked to reduce our PDF production and have reduced our PDF numbers from 10,000+ in 2018 when I joined, to roughly currently around 2,000 circulating PDFs.

This reduction in PDFs is due to:

  *   Communicating with WWU stakeholders, faculty, and staff regarding the general inaccessible nature of PDFs
  *   Working with WWU stakeholders to use HTML in place of PDFs when acceptable, and to remediate PDFs when necessary.
  *   Removing PDFs that are no longer needed/utilized by the University



I was hired in the summer of 2018 as the Document Remediation Specialist due to my background working with the Disability Access Center at WWU to turn textbooks into accessible documents for students with disabilities. It was my job to spearhead a campus-wide campaign to rid our sites of inaccessible PDFs. During this time I worked with site owners/editors to identify and remediate (and in some cases remove unnecessary/outdated) inaccessible PDF files.



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We are currently working on launching our HTML Policy website (which has allowed us to do-away with Policy PDFs altogether), expected to launch within the next month.



Sincerely,

Dylan Gibson



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I would love to have members on this list share successful practices in eliminating or at least reducing the use of PDFs in favor of, for example,HTML or Word.

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On Sep 22, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Monica Olsson <molsson at sbctc.edu<mailto:molsson at sbctc.edu>> wrote:



Forwarding this conversation for those working with Adobe and interesed.





[Title: SBCTC logo - Description: Compass]Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers)

Policy Associate – Accessible IT Coordinator

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From: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Community Group Listserv <ITACCESS at LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:ITACCESS at LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Ortiz, Tracie R. <tortiz at ODU.EDU<mailto:tortiz at ODU.EDU>>
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Subject: Re: [ITACCESS] Fwd: [WebAIM] Serious bugs in latest Acrobat update: DO NOT UPDATE



I will definitely contribute my frustrations to Adobe. We had the same issues here at ODU and I'm glad to see we're not alone.



Thank you for starting this!



Tracie



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Date: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:57 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] Serious bugs in latest Acrobat update: DO NOT UPDATE
To: WebAIM Discussion List <webaim-forum at list.webaim.org<mailto:webaim-forum at list.webaim.org>>


Last week, Adobe updated Acrobat and with it, the PDF Maker plug-in for MS
Office that is used to export PDFs from Word and other office apps on
Windows.

Several key bugs in PDF Maker have shown up since, namely:

*       Alt-text added in Word is dropped in the exported PDF and replaced
with code gibberish. (Yes, all the Alt-text you worked hard on is gone!)

*       Every frigging line, border, and background fill on table cells,
text boxes, paragraph borders, and hyperlinks is tagged in the Tag Tree with
<P>PathPathPathPathPathPath.one "path" for each border on each cell in a
table.

*       And there's no way to roll back to the previous version of Acrobat
and recover your tools. Once updated, you are S O L.

Three actions to take:

1.       Vote to fix these bugs on Adobe's UserVoice website.
If you can, please also add a comment about how accessibility is required
for you and your organization by your country's and state's laws. (Adobe's
staff don't understand these laws about civil rights and equal access to
information.) We need a few hundred votes on this page for Adobe to pay
attention to the problem, so spread this message to your colleagues.
The website is at
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2.       Until this is fixed, use Microsoft's built-in utility to export
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weekend, but in the meantime, here are the quick instructions:

a.       Make an accessible Word document as usual, with styles, Alt-text,
etc.

b.       File / Save As / and then choose PDF in the File Type field. This
triggers Microsoft's built-in export utility, not Adobe's.

c.       Set your options, file location, and file name.

3.       And don't upgrade to the latest version of Acrobat. The version
that is buggy (well, more than usual) is 2021.007.XXXX, and the versions of
PDF Maker that are installed with it are PDF Maker 21 Library 21.7.123 and
Library 21.7.112.



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