[Wsssc] Need your help

Thu Jan 11 09:59:57 PST 2018

I concur with the recommendations offered by others. Fine line between first amendment rights and hate speech. 

Best regards, 

Ata

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From: wsssc [mailto:wsssc-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] On Behalf Of Lin Zhou
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To: 'Jerad Sorber' <jerad.sorber at ghc.edu>; Cosby, Glen <Glen.Cosby at scc.spokane.edu>; Robert Cox <robert.cox at centralia.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Wsssc] Need your help

Thank you Jerad, this is very helpful!

One staff asked me if she could refuse to serve the student because of the shirt he wears, I told her no.
Lin

Dr. Lin Zhou
Vice President 
Institutional Effectiveness and Student Success

Bates Technical College
Email: lzhou at bates.ctc.edu
Phone: (253) 680 7105
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerad Sorber [mailto:jerad.sorber at ghc.edu] 
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Subject: RE: [Wsssc] Need your help

Agreed here as well.    You will also want to make sure the instructor knows that they are not allowed to treat the students differently within the classroom or single them out based on protected speech however disagreeable the instructor may find it.

Jerad Sorber
Interim Vice-President for Student Services Associate Dean for Enrollment Grays harbor College

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Aberdeen, WA 98520

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From: wsssc [mailto:wsssc-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] On Behalf Of Cosby, Glen
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Subject: Re: [Wsssc] Need your help

Our AAG concurs with Robert's.  Assuming the wearing is not accompanied by disruptive behavior or harassing speech acts, it is protected free speech.
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From: wsssc [wsssc-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] on behalf of Lin Zhou [lzhou at bates.ctc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 6:42 PM
To: Robert Cox
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Subject: Re: [Wsssc] Need your help

Robert,

Thank you for your email. I will consult our AAG tomorrow and look into training opportunities for our faculty, staff and students.

Lin

Dr. Lin Zhou
Vice President of Institutional Effectiveness and Student Success Bates Technical College
Phone: 253-377 5168

On Jan 10, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Robert Cox <robert.cox at centralia.edu<mailto:robert.cox at centralia.edu>> wrote:

Hey Lin,
You should check with your AAG but a restriction on shirt content of this nature would probably be considered a first amendment violation.

You may want to consider counter speech through some programming to try to turn this into an educational opportunity.

These are tough issues! Good luck!

I apologize for typos. This
message is sent from my phone.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:36 PM -0800, "Lin Zhou" <lzhou at bates.ctc.edu<mailto:lzhou at bates.ctc.edu>> wrote:

Happy New Year, WSSSC members!

I run into a situation that I do not have the culture background or deep understanding to know how to respond:

I have a faculty member expressed the frustration on students who wearing shirts with Confederate flag to her class. The request from the faculty member is to have the college make a statement that Confederate flags are inappropriate and not tolerable on campus.

Honestly, I had to learn what "Confederate Flag" is first before I understand the complaint. When I talk to couple people from Bates, I was given different answers.

My questions to you are: if you have been in the similar situation, how did you handle that?  Do you have a statement specifically on Confederate flag? If yes, could you please share it with me?

Many thanks!
Lin

Dr. Lin Zhou
Vice President
Institutional Effectiveness and Student Success

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Bates Technical College
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Phone: (253) 680 7105
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