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Our Users Roles Details also has the Expiry Date blank, so I don't understand how these imported patrons are getting expirations set at all. The helps say "If no expiration date is added to the Patron Role in the "<strong class="ContentPasted0">Profiles</strong>"
table, a new user that receives a Patron role will have an open date as Expiry Date."
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I asked our SQL guy and he told me our data import does not currently send any notes, <span style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: 400;">roles, or profiles. But I can
see in the shot below that occasionally user information <i>is </i>being written incorrectly at the time of the load. Specifically the Roles field, like on 7/2 it set the role expiration to 6/28, which is way crazy.
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: 400;">Yeah, our user loads often fail. I thought that maybe when they do then the bugs crawl in, but both the loads (7/2
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I think I've got an Analytics report going now, Carleigh, but thanks -- and thanks to everyone!</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">We don’t have expiration dates on our students’ patron roles. We leave that empty in the Patron “User Roles Details” (see screenshot below).
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Their actual accounts expire a week after the quarter ends (and then resets to the next quarter if they are registered for the next quarter), but that is all handled as part of the nightly ctclink import.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:black">We have had many of our students' roles expire recently, requiring that we renew them individually when they go to check out something. I was having a hard time
querying alma or finding these people to fix them preemptively until just recently when I realized it was the Patron role itself expiring, not the User Account. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:black">Why there is a separate expiration for the role of Patron is beyond me. It's dumb. That said, I had submitted a ticket and got back some unhelpful language (below).
I looked in the config for external users and no expiration is defined. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:black">Has anyone experienced this? It's not a deal-breaker when it comes to circulation but it is annoying the heck out of me.
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">Hi Abby,</span><br>
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">The user record expiry date is separate from the role expiry dates, and each role can have its own expiry.</span><br>
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">How is the Patrons' expiry Role determined?</span><br>
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">External Users have their Patron Role defined per the following tables: Configuration > User Management > Profiles, Role Assignment Rules, and User Registration Rules. If no expiration date is added to the Patron Role in the "Profiles"
table, a new user that receives a Patron role will have an open date as Expiry Date.</span><br>
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">Internal registration: The setting is defined in: Configuration > Fulfillment > Terms of Use and Policies > Filter by Type: User Registration. The "Patron Role Renewal Period" defines the amount of time by which the role of Patron
for this user is renewed.(or initially defined). </span><br>
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">For all users, the “Patron Role Renewal Period” will be used when the patron role is renewed, for example when loaning an item and receiving the message “User does not have a patron role or the role has expired”:.</span><br>
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<span class="x_contentpasted0">Please see this article (also attached to the case) for more information:</span><br>
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