[Wactclc-alma] [External]Re: [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing Books and eBooks returns other item types

Fri Jan 10 10:37:39 PST 2020

There are no tangents when it comes to Alma. All conversations about this
obtuse product are helpful.

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences with this issue,
Lesley.

Kind regards,
Dan

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:06 AM Lesley Caldwell <LCaldwell at pierce.ctc.edu>
wrote:

> Thanks, Wade. As always, I appreciate your thoughts on this.
>
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> I think I have identified my frustration as this system feeling like it
> was designed without thinking about libraries at all.
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> We will definitely explore the physical scope Ryer and others mentioned.
> And, I’ll offer the “At the Library” scope mentioned by Dan and Naoko.
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> Sorry for the tangent, all!
>
> Lesley
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Guidry,
> Wade
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 1:29 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External]Re: [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing
> Books and eBooks returns other item types
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> >> We don’t own the second or third result so it just seems silly to me
> that it would be included in the “MyInstitution” scope.
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> But you do own access to them, correct? So, in a sense, they are part of
> your institution, as long as your access lasts at least.
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> The main difference to remember  between MyInstitution and Everything is
> that ‘MyInstitution’ contains only title citations, while ‘Everything’
> contains both title and article citations.
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> The best way to address this might be by changing the labels in Primo.
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> Though, I’m hard-pressed to label them in a way that would make sense to
> retail users.
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> Maybe MyInstitution is labels “Books, Journals and Videos”
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> Another option is to have a physical only search, and then the Everything
> search.
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> I’m trying to think how this is handled in other contexts, like iTunes,
> Google Scholar, Netflix, Amazon, etc.
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> How do other widely used content platforms distinguish between subscribed
> and owned content (which I think is where the scope confusion is coming in?
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> No doubt, it’s a brave new content world out there J
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> Wade Guidry
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu
> <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Lesley Caldwell
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 1:02 PM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External]Re: [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing
> Books and eBooks returns other item types
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> Hi all,
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> Sorry for the misinformed email yesterday. I am going to share this with
> our reference librarians and I’m hoping one of you can help me articulate
> the difference between “Everything”… (10 million results)
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> And “Library Catalog”… (6,500) results
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> First of all, the top three are still the same. :P
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> Is it really just PCI activations making a 10 million item difference?
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> And when we move the CDI, which is in Alma, then all 10 million items
> would fall under Library Catalog?
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> I don’t know why, but this is making me super grumpy. We don’t own the
> second or third result so it just seems silly to me that it would be
> included in the “MyInstitution” scope.
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> Okay, end rant…maybe.
>
> -Lesley
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Yasuda,
> Naoko
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:10 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External]Re: [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing
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> Thank you, Dan, locking works great! I’m glad I mentioned it :)
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> Naoko
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Herman,
> Amy
> *Sent:* January 9, 2020 9:26 AM
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> “Available in the Library” is also the filter that I use and teach
> students when I/they want physical materials only.
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> I didn’t know about the locking function, that’s super helpful!!!
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> Amy Herman
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> Library Faculty | Olympic College
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> 1600 Chester Avenue | Bremerton, WA 98337
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> aherman at olympic.edu | 360-475-7256
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Daniel
> Moore
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2020 9:20 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* [External]Re: [Wactclc-alma] [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing Books
> and eBooks returns other item types
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> Hey all,
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> We use the "Available in the library" facet in lieu of using a dedicated
> physical item search. We like to use it as a way of introducing facets to
> students who may not have used them in a scholarly setting before.
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> Naoko, regarding your comment about having to re-apply the facet every
> time the search is modified, remember that you can lock a filter into place
> by hovering over the left-most part of the label in the "Active filters"
> listing:
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> [image: 2020-01-09 09_18_44-Window.png]
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> This will allow you to change the search query and execute new searches
> without having to re-activate that filter.
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> -Dan
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> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:40 PM Yasuda, Naoko <nyasuda at highline.edu> wrote:
>
> I am curious, do people strongly prefer having a custom scope for physical
> item search to using the filter "Available in the library" after the
> initial search? Our librarians seem to be ok with using the filter although
> it's a bit annoying we have to re-apply the filter every time the search is
> modified. I can see custom scopes are useful for targeted audiences, maybe
> to be used in a widget or for some kind of automated feed. I haven't
> configured any custom scope because no one has asked me for one, but I'd
> love to play with the configuration.
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>
> Naoko
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> Highline College
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> on behalf of
> Elena Bianco <Elena.Bianco at skagit.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 12:29 PM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] [EXTERNAL*]-Re: Noticing Books and eBooks
> returns other item types
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> Agreed. Our librarians wanted to be able to search only physical items in
> the catalog and so I created a custom scope for physical items with a
> location in our two campuses and I called that scope “In the Library.” We
> are still deciding whether we want to change that physical location scope
> to be our “Library Catalog” because that’s how everyone traditionally
> understood our catalog to be. Of course, then it wouldn’t include ebooks.
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> It certainly is more complicated than our old Millennium days…
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> Elena Bianco, Systems & Technical Services Librarian
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Ryer
> Banta
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:55 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL*]-Re: [Wactclc-alma] Noticing Books and eBooks
> returns other item types
>
>
>
> There are ways to configure the custom scope to really zero in on a
> certain part, or parts, of your collection. As Wade shows, for just books
> you use conditions to limit by resource type=book. I’m less sure on the
> need for two layers of available physical=exists, but maybe that helps
> accuracy.
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> I have found that you can get very granular and specific with your local
> collection. It is more difficult (at least it has been for me) to get
> accurate when working with the “everything” scope.
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> *Ryer Banta*
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> *Information Literacy and Technology Librarian*
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> Centralia College
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> Ryer.Banta at centralia.edu
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Traci
> Taylor
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:33 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] Noticing Books and eBooks returns other
> item types
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> Wade,
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> Would this custom scope include videos and other physical items in the
> library?
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> Thanks,
> Traci
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>
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Guidry,
> Wade
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:29 AM
> *To:* 'WACTCLC Alma Discussion' <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] Noticing Books and eBooks returns other
> item types
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> Traci,
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>
>
> The scope being used for that search is ‘MyInstitution’
> (&search_scope=MyInstitution in the URL)
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> That scope includes all title records in Alma. Doesn’t matter the format
> (book, journal, etc).
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> Basically,
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> MyInstitution scope = titles-only search
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> Everything scope = titles + articles
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> If you want a books-only search, you need to set up a custom local scope
> based on resource type, something like the following, and then assign it to
> a search profile and slot:
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> Wade Guidry
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> WACTCLC
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> Library Consortium Services Manager
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> wadeg at bigbend.edu
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu
> <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Thomas, Kirsti
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:39 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
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> item types
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> You might just want to rename the facet.
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> We don't have a "Books & ebooks" facet at all.  We have the following
> names for our facets:
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> Library Catalog
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> Everything
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> Articles and eResources
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> Course Reserves
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> Kirsti S. Thomas
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> Library Technical Service Manager
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Traci
> Taylor
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 09:30
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wactclc-alma] Noticing Books and eBooks returns other
> item types
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> I just did the same search and got the same results.
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> Traci
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> *From:* Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu> *On Behalf Of *Bem,
> Greg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:49 AM
> *To:* WACTCLC Alma Discussion <wactclc-alma at lists.ctc.edu>
> *Subject:* [Wactclc-alma] Noticing Books and eBooks returns other item
> types
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>
> Hey all, has anyone seen an issue like this? I search for books and eBooks
> in the drop-down, and get journals and other resource types returned. I
> have to click a second time to limit to books using the Resource Type
> facet. This obviously is annoying and potentially confusing to the general
> user. Why not just disable these specific searches if they aren’t
> accurately doing what they say they should do?
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