[Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

Wed Dec 12 16:20:33 PST 2018

I imagine there are lots of scenarios where you might want a end of calendar day due date... maybe book drop scenarios, or something about moving the due date to the next opening time. Or you might have a study or reserve room that stays open after library closing hours?

Lots of odd scenarios out there, I'm sure. :)

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Wade Guidry
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Big Bend Community College
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From: Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] On Behalf Of Lesley Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 1:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

Thanks everyone for the responses!

For next quarter, I will change the 'closed library due date management' value for the Quarter TOU to Move Due Time to Upcoming Closing Time.

I don't think anyone has answered this yet... why, if our calendar shows we close by 8:30, would Alma even make something due at midnight?

-Lesley

From: Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu<mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>> On Behalf Of Guidry, Wade
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 11:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

Kirsti, you're hired as well :)

Your statement agrees with what Wikipedia says about times after 24:00 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Times_after_24:00)

I did open a ticket to find out if system_time_format has any impact on calculated due dates/times.

But I general suspicion is that it does not, that it's display only. And maybe only for system-related things like job history stuff. I'll report back once I hear.

Wade Guidry
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From: Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu<mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>> On Behalf Of Thomas, Kirsti
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Subject: Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

I think the 24:59 type of time is something Alma uses in situations where libraries are open past midnight.  For example-your (very large research) library (with tons of staff) is open from 8 am - 1 am every day.  Even though due times that fall after midnight are technically on a different calendar day, you consider the hour between midnight and 1 am to belong to the same work day as hours between 8 am - midnight.

I think to handle "work day" situations, Alma counts from 24:00 on up and doesn't reset the 24-hour clock until the next work day.

Kirsti S. Thomas
Library Technical Services Manager
Seattle Colleges
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206-934-4106

From: Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] On Behalf Of Guidry, Wade
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

Good find, Amy. You're hired :)

Though, the way I read that page, the context is job history display.

Not sure whether TOU calculations are actually affected. I'll have to open a ticket to find out.

(The general idea of 01:00 to 24:59 even being a thing is news to me. But may be a standard in some countries, I guess.)

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From: Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu<mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>> On Behalf Of Herman, Amy
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Subject: Re: [Wactclc-alma] [External] RE: Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

Wade, I just found this which indicates that Alma interprets 24:00 as 00:00 if the system_time_format uses kk instead of HH (I think)

https://knowledge.exlibrisgroup.com/Alma/Knowledge_Articles/Times_between_24%3A00_and_24%3A59<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fknowledge.exlibrisgroup.com%2fAlma%2fKnowledge_Articles%2fTimes_between_24%253A00_and_24%253A59&c=E,1,_GWIrNTWb2I4-BAq8Cdb08coa6HsrwjkSMHw-UBVNteX3HrhtZRuyYoOKGMffMi4z2aEi1alzguJS5v5bMreZc3X2Q1bdI_MRsOu7CLCWZt3Aihv&typo=1>

Amy Herman
Library Faculty | Olympic College
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From: Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu<mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>> On Behalf Of Guidry, Wade
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Subject: [External] RE: [Wactclc-alma] Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

24:00 is midnight, so midnight tonight.

I believe this has something to do with the students expiring today.

The TOU for Quarter loans has closed library due date management set to 'no change', and the students expiring on that same day.

Too late for this quarter, but change the 'closed library due date management' value for that TOU to Move Due Time to Upcoming Closing Time.

There may be something else, but I believe that's the crux.

I don't see the fine on the patron's record any longer, though. Did you already remove those?

Anyway, Lesley, you deserve extra special credit for working so hard so close to your maternity leave, both on Primo VE, this, and I'm sure numerous other things. Seriously, bravo.

I wonder if your newborn is going to be some kind of Alma / Primo savant? Let's hope not :) (And though I'm sure you'll be tempted, don't name them 'Alma'. Otherwise you'll be troubleshooting Alma the rest of your life. :)

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From: Wactclc-alma [mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu] On Behalf Of Lesley Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wactclc-alma] Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

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Moreover, why did Alma decide 24:00 in the first place?

Standard hours

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From: Wactclc-alma <wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu<mailto:wactclc-alma-bounces at lists.ctc.edu>> On Behalf Of Lesley Caldwell
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Subject: [Wactclc-alma] Perhaps I don't know how military time works...

All of our students who had quarterly checkouts are being charged a $5 late fine:
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Does Alma think 12/12 24:00 already happened? ... Did it? :)
-Lesley

Lesley Caldwell

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