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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry folks, I meant to forward that to my colleague here at Clover Park.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Foiled by the reply button and a student needing my attention
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Doug Ammons, MLIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Faculty Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Bldg. 15 • 4500 Steilacoom Blvd SW • Lakewood WA 98499 • T: 253-589-6067 • F: 253-589-5820 </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:doug.ammons@cptc.edu"><span style="color:blue">doug.ammons@cptc.edu</span></a> •
<a href="http://www.cptc.edu/library"><span style="color:blue">www.cptc.edu/library</span></a> •
<a href="http://www.twitter.com/CloverParkTech"><span style="color:blue">www.twitter.com/CloverParkTech</span></a> •
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/CloverParkTech"><span style="color:blue">www.facebook.com/CloverParkTech</span></a> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Excellence. Experience. Employment. Redefine education at Clover Park Technical College. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> LIBRARYDIR [mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ammons, Doug<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> an open discussion list for WA CTC Library Directors<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [LIBRARYDIR] [!!Mass Mail]Re: Alma Contract Q & A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Did you get a message regarding the online meeting that Sue refers to (highlighted)?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">And the file that Andrew refers to? I don’t think I saw that either.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> LIBRARYDIR [<a href="mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sue Kennedy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> an open discussion list for WA CTC Library Directors<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [!!Mass Mail]Re: [LIBRARYDIR] Alma Contract Q & A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Great questions, and discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I do want to emphasize something about the draft contract resolution we will vote on by Friday:
<b>The vote is about affirming the contract on a SYSTEM level as a statewide opt-in contract</b> – the vote to affirm is
<b>NOT a confirmation of an individual institution’s</b> role in this project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">LLC is not authorized to approve the contract</span></b><span style="color:#1F497D">, but the state board (and WACTC, IC, and BAC through their explicit endorsement) our giving us (the content experts) the
<b>opportunity to</b> <b>affirm its viability on a SYSTEM level</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Basically – this is a system discussion, not an institution discussion. Ultimately, of course, the details will matter. The table included in the contract itself was to meet a technical requirement. How we move
forward in implementation (who’s in, how costs/funds are allocated, who goes when) are not part of the discussion on whether the contract meets our system needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">See you all tomorrow online at 4 p.m. –</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> if you have questions, before then, do please keep the dialog coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F497A"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">- - -
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sue Kennedy<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Twitter: @SueWKennedy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(360) 736-9391 x304<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LIBRARYDIR [<a href="mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hersh-tudor, Andrew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> an open discussion list for WA CTC Library Directors<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [LIBRARYDIR] Alma Contract Q & A<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi, Stan – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Re distributing the implementation costs on an FTE basis, I’ve confirmed with Abraham Rocha that the reason we have a fixed per-campus implementation cost in the contract is so we can show the State that it won’t
be left holding the bag for a total implementation cost if one or several campuses don’t participate. We do have the option to reallocate the subscription cost<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">. The sheet I sent yesterday shows that scenario:
a fixed implementation cost and an FTE-based distribution of the subscription cost. It also includes the note that the latter may change depending on participation.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We are still working on the ongoing support model. We will likely need to develop an organizational / support model working group immediately after contract signing to shape and finalize that. There’s quite
a bit of preliminary work that has been done both internally and in discussions with the state board, and you can see that we are funding two positions in our financial model, but no, the structure has not been finalized.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Re the technical details, I’m with you – I hope that some folks with sharp eyes for things technical are reviewing that portion of the contract. As I said in our meeting last Friday, we have included quite a
bit of technical information at the recommendation of the University of Wisconsin system representatives, who identified that as something they wish they had done in their contract with Ex Libris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">-Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> LIBRARYDIR [<a href="mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Horton, Stan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 02, 2015 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> an open discussion list for WA CTC Library Directors<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [LIBRARYDIR] Alma Contract Q & A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I think the question I’m asking is “do these ideas sound reasonable.” Now onto some ideas that I’d need to have addressed before I could give my campus my opinion about joining into the project:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">First, we need to nail down some ideas regarding the One-time fees. I know we are being asked to only affirm that the contract under discussion will indeed move us to a common ILS. But without some overall assurance
as to cost, that affirmation essentially becomes meaningless—I’m sure no President or Vice President would approve actually joining into the contract until the costs to their campus was known, and the distribution of those costs is an essential part of the
answer to that question. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">The alma one-time setup fees which are specified in the contract, are the amounts Ex Libris needs to be paid to bring a particular library up. HOWEVER, there is nothing in the contract that requires SBCTC or LLC to actually
collect the money from the individual colleges that way. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">So, can we act like we historically have (this is both to LLC and to ORCA as precedents) and just charge their respective FTE percentage of the $1.2 million to the individual colleges. We’d pay into the central coffers, just
as we do now for other projects, but pay Ex Libris as they bill us?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Doing this will result in a considerable difference in the amounts needed for a given college from the $500K subsidy. In Grays Harbor’s case, for example, my costs would drop from $47,155 to $18,241. Give me $8,500 from
the subsidy (rather than the $31,250 Andrew’s model tossed out for consideration) and I’m on board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Since some schools actually do need more help than others, especially for schools that have not already automated under a modern, robust, integrated system (yes, I mean Follett!) We’d want to strip off the needed extra help
for them right at the beginning. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Obviously this means the larger schools would be paying more than under the Ex Libris model. They have done this before, and I’d hope that would continue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Second, there is the issue of on-going support personnel. Has any commitment been agreed to by SBCTC about managing this aspect of the continuing project? I’m concerned on two accounts:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Cost, again. That’s an important part of the overall decision on any given campus. Andrew’s latest model gives numbers that work for me, so if that’s OK by everyone, then we are good to go.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">How will this be managed? I’d suggest that if at all possible, LLC adopt the ORCA model for this—we identify one school to manage the operation, thus ensuring LLC has the right to set job expectations, select personnel, make
job assignments, evaluate, etc. Quite honestly, I don’t think we dare relinquish this right or responsibility to an entity that is not directly using the product of their labors.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">So, at this point we don’t have time to pursue all the details of this idea but at least we should find out if (a) most of us agree to the concept and (b) if it’s legal and administratively even possible. ORCA did it, but
ORCA is not LLC, so perhaps different rules apply. I’d assume SBCTC would still be the fiscal agent, so that activity would not need to be part of the LLC school handing the support job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Then third but not least, is the issue of the technical aspects of the contract itself. I’m not good at seeing such things, so I’ll agree with what somebody said at Friday’s meeting: let’s ask the known technical
experts (I’m thinking Shellie, Dale, and Sally) to read and parse carefully to report back to us any concerns we might not have caught already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">And make headway before Wednesday so we can agree on things.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Stan <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LIBRARYDIR [<a href="mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">mailto:librarydir-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sue Kennedy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 27, 2015 2:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:librarydir@lists.ctc.edu">librarydir@lists.ctc.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [LIBRARYDIR] Alma Contract Q & A<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As discussed at today’s LLC meeting, we’ll be having a Q&A follow-up session on the Alma contract.
<b>Look for information in the next couple of days for review</b>. If you can submit questions in advance that would be great.<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#52575B">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>The session is on Wednesday, March 4<sup>th</sup>, at 4 p.m.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here: <span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#52575B">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#52575B"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sue<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#BF8F00"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">- - - <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sue Kennedy,
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Dean<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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