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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi, all. Can we maybe ask Abraham these questions before our next meeting? The difference is significant – by year five I’m paying upwards of $89k more than I would if we used IPEDS.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks!</span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Great questions, Boyoung!</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marc, I really appreciate the worksheet, and I’m grateful Kevin asked about the mystery FTE numbers.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I received some additional information from our research department, and they confirmed that my initial guess was somewhat correct. They mentioned that IPEDS FTE excludes any students solely in pre-college programs,
certain apprenticeships, and short job skills programs. IPEDS is really designed only to enable a national standard for credential-seeking students; we don’t use it for anything else outside of federal reporting.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lentini, Marc <<a href="mailto:mlentini@highline.edu">mlentini@highline.edu</a>>;
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">I think the difference could be because IPEDS data excludes students enrolled in ESL programs and Continuing Education (see "<b><a href="https://surveys.nces.ed.gov/ipeds/public/survey-materials/instructions?instructionid=30069" title="https://surveys.nces.ed.gov/ipeds/public/survey-materials/instructions?instructionid=30069">Who
to Exclude</a></b>"). From the SBCTC enrollment dashboard, if you exclude those BEdA-related courses, the numbers get close to the IPEDS FTEs.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Hope this helps!</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">HI, all.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marc, Thanks for this. It is both helpful and enlightening. One question I have for the group is where are FTEs numbers gathered? The reason I ask is because we just sent our IPEDs in for the 2023 to 2024 academic year and
when I review our numbers with the numbers of the <u><span style="color:#467886"><a href="https://www.sbctc.edu/colleges-staff/research/data-public/enrollment-data-dashboard"><span style="color:#467886">SBCTC website</span></a></span></u>, SBCTC is reporting
2,133 more than we reported. In the new model, this is a difference of $82,866.17 over five years. As you might imagine, I don’t want to pay that much more.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 2,858.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 4,854.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 3,932.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 4,089.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 3,558.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 531.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black">Total</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 12,481.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 10,348.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> 2,133.00</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Kevin</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">ETAG <<a href="mailto:etag-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">etag-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>> on behalf of Lentini, Marc via ETAG <<a href="mailto:etag@lists.ctc.edu">etag@lists.ctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 29, 2024 at 8:22</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:etag@lists.ctc.edu">etag@lists.ctc.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:etag@lists.ctc.edu">etag@lists.ctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Etag] New addition to cost comparison spreadsheet</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi folks,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ve added a tab to the <u><span style="color:#467886"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ilM4sGgkJ5Ef5xrLwssUGTJdQq_iAfJ5qIN9MRhALaQ/edit#gid=1974605837"><span style="color:#467886">Canvas cost updates and comparisons
spreadsheet</span></a></span></u>. The new tab is called “College cost.” It’s set up so you can compare the costs to your college under different per-FTE cost increases by Canvas. The top half is the current proposal – the 10% year one proposal. The bottom
half is where you get to play. The “Diffs” table on the right tells you how much the cost will differ between the Instructure proposal and whatever you put in the bottom section.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marc</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Marc Lentini | he.him.his<br>
Director of Educational Technology<br>
Highline College | <u><span style="color:#0563C1"><a href="mailto:mlentini@highline.edu" title="mailto:mlentini@highline.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">mlentini@highline.edu</span></a></span></u> | (206) 592-3778</span></p>
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