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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> CATO <cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu> on behalf of Vicki Walton via CATO <cato@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2024 8:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> cato@lists.ctc.edu <cato@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Vicki Walton <vwalton@sbctc.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CATO] Correspondence with Venngage rep about cost</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello dear CATO group,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I wanted to reach out to you to let you know that when Michael Hanscom shared his email with us about what he found out about the cost of Venngage, I took a portion of the email and reached
out to the Venngage rep I've been working with when I did my accessibility evaluation. Bhanu, the rep, replied so I wanted to make sure we all received that information.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[Start of correspondence]</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:41:46, Vicki Walton <<a href="mailto:vwalton@sbctc.edu" target="_blank">vwalton@sbctc.edu</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello Bhanu,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I do have something I want to run by you that a colleague of mine from a committee we are part of wrote to us and I want to get your take to fully understand how Venngage payment plan works. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[Beginning of email]</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I had started trying to talk up Venngage as an alternative to Canva here at Highline, and have run into one fairly major stumbling block: Canva lets free accounts export (inaccessible) PDFs;
Venngage’s free level will only provide links to web versions of designs, any sort of export requires a paid account, and it’s not until you hit the “Business” ($24/month/user) level that you get PDF export (the $10/month “Premium” level only includes PNG
export). </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My guess is that that cost barrier will be impacting a lot of other people/institutions as well, even with the new regulations. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[End of email] </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Please help me understand how Venngage really works so I can share this with our colleagues at our colleges. When I do an accessibility evaluation, I normally don't look at the payment situation
but now this has come to light and it's really important that we understand it.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank you for your time, Bhanu.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Vicki Walton</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Web Accessibility Specialist/IT Quality Assurance Tester</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Bhanu Laul <<a href="mailto:bhanu@venngage.com">bhanu@venngage.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2024 8:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Vicki Walton <<a href="mailto:vwalton@sbctc.edu">vwalton@sbctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Accessibility evaluation final report</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[Sent from outside SBCTC]
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi Vicki,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks for writing in.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">While the analysis above is correct, I can go ahead and waive off the fee for the members of the committee for the first few months as they get started on the software.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Re the costing, our software usually ends up costing around $100-$200 per user annually on a team plan, something not listed on the website.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Given our work, the best approach is to have the creators try our product for a few weeks before looking at a team plan, which as you can see, is cheaper than Canva - not even taking into
consideration the cost savings associated with creating accessible PDFs by default.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As there has been some chat about Venngage in your circles, with a few objections coming to surface, to move things forward, I would recommend getting on a call with some of the committee
members - clarifying the objections, and charting a path towards a few demos/trials across the college system?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Let me know your thoughts and we can set up a time.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Bhanu</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[End of correspondence]</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I reached out to Michael to share with him what I found out and he sent this back to me:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I’m glad they responded, though I’ll admit I’m not overly impressed with the response. There’s still no way for entry-level users trying Venngage to get a good idea of how exported PDFs will
behave, and at $100-200 annually per user (which I’m not sure how they get to with a $24/month/user baseline), that’s still a pretty steep slope if anyone does want to try it to see how it works for them – especially when they can get PDFs for free from Canva.
I feel like most people/institutions are likely to either ask someone in-house to remediate or just keep sending out inaccessible PDFs that they can get for free.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Still, it’s their business, all we can do is pass along our concerns.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Michael Hanscom (he/him), Accessible Technology Program Manager, Highline College</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[End of Michael’s comments]</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif; color:#003764">vwalton@sbctc.edu</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif; color:#003764">• office: 360-704-4343•
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Accessibility is not a checkbox. Accessibility is a mindset that can lead to a very powerful sense of inclusion.</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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