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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree with your point of view on Venngage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I was initially excited about it on hearing Chad and Dax talk it up. On getting a demo account with that elevated capacity to export to accessible/tagged PDF still found the process of making an accessible
flyer from scratch was no simple process. Ended up needing to pick an accessible template to start with. Even then found a few oddities that were challenging.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My understanding (and perhaps I’m wrong on the behind-the-scenes functionality) is that this tool creates a web based document and then some AI sort of API renders the tagged PDF. Think that might have been
mentioned in the podcast Chad and Dax did with Eugene.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As a full time user of CommonLook PDF, I cannot imagine not having it as my main tool in remediating PDF files. They did raise the cost of one user seat recently and on asking them “what gives with the price
increase?” they answered something along the lines of, we raised it to be similar to competitor pricing?
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] - Re: [CATO] Podcast with Eugene Woo, Chief Executive Officer of Venngage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I had started trying to talk up Venngage as an alternative to Canva here at Highline, and have run into one fairly major stumbling block: Canva lets free accounts export (incaccessible) PDFs; Venngage’s free
level will only provide links to web versions of designs, any sort of export requires a paid account, and it’s not until you hit the “Business” ($24/month/user) level that you get PDF export (the $10/month “Premium” level only includes PNG export).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I like what I’ve seen of Venngage, and Eugene does seem like a good person with good intentions (I’ve interacted with him via an a11y Slack board), but that cost barrier means I’m going to get more leverage
out of telling people “please send me your Canva newsletters so I can fix them before sending them out” than “please commit to at least $288/year _<i>and</i>_ learning how to use Venngage’s accessibility tools _<i>and</i>_ checking the output _<i>and</i>_
maybe still sending final versions to me for final tweaks”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Eventually if the remediation workload gets big enough that I can convince the college to spend the money, maybe there’s a chance of getting an institutional Venngage account…but if my remediation workload
does start to get that big, I’d prefer to start with trying to get approval to spend the money on CommonLook rather than Venngage.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My guess is that that cost barrier will be impacting a lot of other people/institutions as well, even with the new regulations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:48</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">PM<br>
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<b>Cc: </b>Monica Olsson <<a href="mailto:molsson@sbctc.edu">molsson@sbctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CATO] Podcast with Eugene Woo, Chief Executive Officer of Venngage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks for sharing, Vicki. I listened to most of the podcast. I like their approach at Venngage; it sounds like their goal is to make it easier for non-designers
to create accessible graphics without a ton of extra work involved. That is definitely something I can get behind. I enjoyed Eugene's sharing about his own learning journey and owning that the product is not perfect, but they keep chipping away at improvements.
It will be interesting to see overtime if Canva users in the public sector jump ships to Venngave with the ADA title two reguations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 14, 2024 10:15 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Vicki Walton <<a href="mailto:vwalton@sbctc.edu">vwalton@sbctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CATO] Podcast with Eugene Woo, Chief Executive Officer of Venngage</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello CATO,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Here is a podcast called
<b><a href="https://creative-boost.com/accessible-infographic-creator/?unapproved=44220&moderation-hash=af703c92185c9376e7c0eceaa8fe221f#comment-44220">#1 Accessible Infographic Creator — With Eugene Woo</a>
</b>with Colleen Gratzer and Eugene Woo, Chief Executive Officer of Venngage. </span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I greatly appreciate all the content from this podcast, which also provides a transcript. The host discusses the accessibility features, highlighting how they enhance the application.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We, Meridith Hatch, Monica Olsson and Doug Hayman and I, met Eugene at the 2023 Accessing Higher Ground conference. In fact, he sat at our table during the evening keynote speaker and dinner.
Super nice guy! </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Just a bit of background on Colleen. She is a designer, accessibility specialist, educator, and mentor. I met her when I took her course called
<a href="https://creative-boost.com/website-accessibility-course/">Foundations of Website Accessibility</a>. It was a fabulous course and I really liked working with Colleen. I continue to follow her content and this one showed up in my inbox this week so
I just felt it would be valuable to share about Venngage.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Enjoy!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="line-height:10.55pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764">Pronouns: they/them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764">Web Accessibility Specialist/IT Quality Assurance Tester</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764">Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764"><a href="mailto:vwalton@sbctc.edu•">vwalton@sbctc.edu•</a></span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764">
office: 360-704-4343• </span><span lang="ES-MX" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764">website:
<u><a href="https://www.sbctc.edu/default.aspx"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.sbctc.edu</span></a></u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.9pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Accessibility is a fundamental right</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><img border="0" width="600" height="5" style="width:6.25in;height:.052in" id="x_Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image006.gif@01DAC616.37EB5240"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Accessibility is not a checkbox. Accessibility is a mindset that can lead to a very powerful sense of inclusion.</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">~ Maayan Ziv founder and CEO AccessNow</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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