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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Also, I’d like to go back to Amy’s original question, which I read differently than you all did.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Is a (theoretical) fully accessible PDF really preferable to a (theoretical) fully accessible Word document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I was of the understanding that for most documents (fairly straightforward text, not terribly complex layout), Word would be preferable, for a number of reasons (ability to change
fonts/colors to preference, reflowing to fit screen, etc.), instead of being locked into the presentation of a PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">For more complex documents, (designed in InDesign by a knowledgeable designer), it seems like PDF would make more sense, but I’m also surprised by the assertion that a blind
user “they would 100% choose an accessible PDF over a Word doc” (of course, I say this as a sighted user, so there’s that), simply because it’s the opposite of what I thought was the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">(This, of course, doesn’t get into the chances of getting that theoretically fully accessible PDF or Word document in the first place, but that’s what remediation is for….)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Atkinson Hyperlegible";mso-ligatures:none">Michael Hanscom (he/him), Accessible Technology Program Manager, Highline College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Atkinson Hyperlegible";mso-ligatures:none"><a href="mailto:mhanscom@highline.edu"><span style="color:#467886">mhanscom@highline.edu</span></a> | Building 25-516 | 206.592.3383<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Atkinson Hyperlegible";mso-ligatures:none">Accessible Technology Zoom Lobby: Wed. 3:30-4:15 p.m., Thu. 3-3:45 p.m.
<a href="https://highline.zoom.us/my/mhanscom"><span style="color:#467886">https://highline.zoom.us/my/mhanscom</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:access@highline.edu"><span style="color:#467886">access@highline.edu</span></a> |
<a href="https://access.highline.edu/"><span style="color:#467886">https://access.highline.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> CATO <cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rovner, Amy via CATO<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 26, 2024 3:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Distribution List for the Committee for Accessible Technology Oversight <cato@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rovner, Amy <arovner@shoreline.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CATO] Common Look Tools?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you both for that info! This is an area that is “low hanging fruit” and essential for us to make some progress on here at Shoreline.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ll reach out offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Amy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> CATO <cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicki Walton via CATO<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Distribution List for the Committee for Accessible Technology Oversight <cato@lists.ctc.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Vicki Walton <vwalton@sbctc.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CATO] Common Look Tools?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I think I need to clarify about starting out with an accessible source document. With Microsoft Word, you can only go so far. That is what CommonLook Office can help you with. Then when
you save it as a PDF and go into CommonLook PDF, this is where you can work on those parts that you were not able to make accessible in MS Word. In the end, you will come out with an accessible PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Accessibility is not a checkbox. Accessibility is a mindset that can lead to a very powerful sense of inclusion.</span></b>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~ Maayan Ziv founder and CEO AccessNow<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> CATO <<a href="mailto:cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicki Walton via CATO<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Distribution List for the Committee for Accessible Technology Oversight <<a href="mailto:cato@lists.ctc.edu">cato@lists.ctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Vicki Walton <<a href="mailto:vwalton@sbctc.edu">vwalton@sbctc.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CATO] Common Look Tools?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello Amy and all of CATO,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I was also a CommonLook Office/CommonLook PDF user. That program can make PDFs more accessible than a Word document itself. There are just some things in a Word document you cannot make fully
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">I think the key here is to start out with an accessible source document which would most likely be from MS Word. Then when you save it to a PDF, using CommonLook to remediate
that PDF, it will walk you through the process of making sure that PDF is accessible. One thing I really like about CommonLook, as well, is that it has a validator at the end of your process so that it will tell you where you have missed elements that need
to still be remediated and made accessible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">CommonLook does take a bit of training to be able to use efficiently but it is a great program.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764"><a href="mailto:vwalton@sbctc.edu•">vwalton@sbctc.edu•</a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book",sans-serif;color:#003764"> office: 360-704-4343•
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> CATO <<a href="mailto:cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu">cato-bounces@lists.ctc.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rovner, Amy via CATO<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2024 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cato@lists.ctc.edu">cato@lists.ctc.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rovner, Amy <<a href="mailto:arovner@shoreline.edu">arovner@shoreline.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CATO] Common Look Tools?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi CATO friends,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m in an Allyant webinar – they make the CommonLook tools for making office, PDF, etc. accessible.
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<p class="MsoNormal">They got my attention when one of the presenters (who is blind) said they would 100% choose an accessible PDF over a Word doc (made as accessible as the Word accessibility tool directs). That blew my mind b/c that is the exact opposite
of what I have heard users who are blind have said in the past. Just trying to figure out if it’s a sales tactic or that their PDF remediation tools are really that good.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are any of you using these tools? Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Amy<o:p></o:p></p>
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