[BLC] GenEd requirements for students who have earned a Bachelor's degree from a foreign country

Wed Aug 9 14:51:48 PDT 2023

Alison,

Thanks so much. This is very helpful!

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Chris!,
We were just having this conversation at our institution, and I chatted about it with Val Sundby as well who agreed this was a local decision.

We have a local policy to waive gen eds for those who have already earned a bachelor's degree except we have a program-specific gen ed for one of our programs. We decided to treat a degree that is noted as "bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited institution" - US equivalent from WES or similar in the same way we would a US bachelor's degree and waive the gen eds.

Having said that, since our classes in our BAS degrees are conducted in English, it's important for the student to have some facility with the English language. This is different than looking for ENGL 101 equivalency. Our Credentials office got a bit hung up on that and kept wanting to see ENGL 101 on the transcripted information, but I don't think we should treat international degrees that are evaluated as equivalent different from US degrees. (and I believe this insistence in terms of requiring ENGL 101 is an equity issue; this particular student has facility with 4 languages, including English).

BUT, you may want to confirm with the student their English language proficiency - there could be various ways of doing that. In this recent case we had, our International English program gave me information about countries where, through primary and secondary education, folks can claim "native English proficiency," and this student submitted their secondary educational transcript from one of these countries along with the bachelor's degree information. As the Dean, I accepted this as documenting English language proficiency.

I hope this helps, and I'm happy to hear from others on this issue as well.

~Alison

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Subject: [BLC] GenEd requirements for students who have earned a Bachelor's degree from a foreign country

Good afternoon,

I have received an interesting question from our Enrollment Services regarding students who have earned a Bachelor's degree from a foreign country (see below). I don't remember us having this conversation at BLC, but wanted to double check. If we haven't, maybe it is something we should look at? What is your college's policy?

Thanks!

Chris

An interesting question was brought up on the evaluator listserv regarding students who have previously earned a bachelors degree from a foreign country. Our students will send their transcript to a NACES (www.naces.org<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.naces.org%2f&c=E,1,r_7m718sj3oCPqXUm5ZGTi7WGp1kMpVPMlUKvVz1BGVT4TeEiIj8JpfHlmUKkgMVFaDpDmUSlXZpR4UVnNZMZiutWiT1xFFm9hYL4FT2MBb5jU7RU4fnnG5f&typo=1>) approved agency for translation. The agency will then make a recommendation based on semester credits earned, classes taken, and equivalent accreditation status. If we received a recommendation from an agency that states that the students training is equivalent to a regionally accredited institution in the U.S., would we then 'waive' the general education requirements (including ENGL& 101)? Has a similar conversation come up at BLC?

Here is an example World Education Services evaluation terms. WES is an approved agency through NACES.

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