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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I was asked to look into a Word doc with 45 tables yesterday that upon conversion to PDF was reporting problems with headings in the accessibility checker. After seeing if she and I had made a mistake I fortunately stumbled upon the
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On looking again today to see what more Bevi wrote (she’s top in the PDF accessibility realm and sits on the International standards group), she suggested steps to take to artifact the first <P> tag with a bunch of pathpathpath crap that
is tripping up the accessibility checker. Her steps didn’t work for me and I made this short video to share with her.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Turns out there is visibly a <P> tag in the tags tree but underneath it is sort of artifacted. On changing it to a Paragaph in properties one can then, really artifact it and the delete the empty <P> tag.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Unfortunately I believe they’ve added other such crap in the rest of each table’s tag structure and I just messaged Bevi about that. It appears that they are taking what was once left out of the tags altogether, those elements that show
cell border color, size, bands and whatever and added those back to the tags tree for a table when they should all be artifacts.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">See this screenshot too. You’ll see the Path highlighted in the tags tree and that cell border highlighted in the table while showing a <P> tag AND showing Artifact in properties. It shouldn’t be both. It should either be a Paragraph
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> atcoord@lists.ctc.edu; accessibleit@uw.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Monica Olsson <molsson@sbctc.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] - [ATcoord] Fw: [ITACCESS] Fwd: [WebAIM] Serious bugs in latest Acrobat update: DO NOT UPDATE</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU">ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU</a><span style="color:black"> <</span><a href="mailto:ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU">ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU</a><span style="color:black">><br>
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on behalf of Krista Greear <</span><a href="mailto:krista@INCLUSIVEINSTRUCTIONALDESIGN.COM">krista@INCLUSIVEINSTRUCTIONALDESIGN.COM</a><span style="color:black">><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">Im</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">portant - please read thread below and vote for fixing so Adobe sees our frustration at </span><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Facrobat.uservoice.com%2Fforums%2F590923-acrobat-for-windows-and-mac%2Fsuggestions%2F44183082-accessibility-errors-with-pdf-maker-update-sept-20&data=04%7C01%7CTortiz%40ODU.EDU%7Cb156bc2dc7414a38e30f08d97dfe98f7%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C1%7C637679354711245613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=zQg276NLVhN4NX4FwSbr%2B40fZIg5kQvMUYr%2BTDkURp8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">https://acrobat.uservoice.com/forums/590923-acrobat-for-windows-and-mac/sugg</span></a></p>
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From: <<a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com">chagnon@pubcom.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:57 AM<br>
Subject: [WebAIM] Serious bugs in latest Acrobat update: DO NOT UPDATE<br>
To: WebAIM Discussion List <<a href="mailto:webaim-forum@list.webaim.org">webaim-forum@list.webaim.org</a>></p>
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Last week, Adobe updated Acrobat and with it, the PDF Maker plug-in for MS<br>
Office that is used to export PDFs from Word and other office apps on<br>
Windows.<br>
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Several key bugs in PDF Maker have shown up since, namely:<br>
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* Alt-text added in Word is dropped in the exported PDF and replaced<br>
with code gibberish. (Yes, all the Alt-text you worked hard on is gone!)<br>
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* Every frigging line, border, and background fill on table cells,<br>
text boxes, paragraph borders, and hyperlinks is tagged in the Tag Tree with<br>
<P>PathPathPathPathPathPath.one "path" for each border on each cell in a<br>
table.<br>
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* And there's no way to roll back to the previous version of Acrobat<br>
and recover your tools. Once updated, you are S O L.<br>
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Three actions to take:<br>
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1. Vote to fix these bugs on Adobe's UserVoice website. <br>
If you can, please also add a comment about how accessibility is required<br>
for you and your organization by your country's and state's laws. (Adobe's<br>
staff don't understand these laws about civil rights and equal access to<br>
information.) We need a few hundred votes on this page for Adobe to pay<br>
attention to the problem, so spread this message to your colleagues. <br>
The website is at<br>
<a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Facrobat.uservoice.com%2Fforums%2F590923-acrobat-for-windows-and-mac%2Fsuggestions%2F44183082-accessibility-errors-with-pdf-maker-update-sept-20&data=04%7C01%7CTortiz%40ODU.EDU%7Cb156bc2dc7414a38e30f08d97dfe98f7%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C1%7C637679354711265598%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=GY%2FcSBIhTiWGxlCXWd5ptiMSbap58KG9EUz%2BnJ5Ymfw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://acrobat.uservoice.com/forums/590923-acrobat-for-windows-and-mac/sugg<br>
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2. Until this is fixed, use Microsoft's built-in utility to export<br>
accessible tagged PDFs, and skip the Acrobat Ribbon (which is the Adobe PDF<br>
Maker plug-in) altogether. I'll have a blog / tutorial on this by the<br>
weekend, but in the meantime, here are the quick instructions:<br>
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a. Make an accessible Word document as usual, with styles, Alt-text,<br>
etc.<br>
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b. File / Save As / and then choose PDF in the File Type field. This<br>
triggers Microsoft's built-in export utility, not Adobe's.<br>
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c. Set your options, file location, and file name.<br>
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3. And don't upgrade to the latest version of Acrobat. The version<br>
that is buggy (well, more than usual) is 2021.007.XXXX, and the versions of<br>
PDF Maker that are installed with it are PDF Maker 21 Library 21.7.123 and<br>
Library 21.7.112.<br>
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